Ok media, it's time to expose what the dealers are going through. It is August 12th ... Cash for Clunkers "officially" started July 24th and LESS than 2% of the dealers have been PAID! 80% of the submissions have been REJECTED!! This is all according to an alert that just went out to the Alabama Dealer's Association today.

There are less than 300 people working on this project! http://www.cashforclunkersfacts.com/bill/citigroup-underestimated-c...

Cash flow is going to become a MAJOR BURDEN. $4200 X 50 = $210,000. $4200 X 100 = $420,000. This is the cash that many stores have waiting in review.

Go to www.dealerrefresh.com and look at the frustration of the dealers as sooooo many deals keep getting rejected for bogus reasons. Mr. Govt. ... we the Dealers deserve better treatment. Something needs to be done in the NEXT 48 HOURS to correct this situation. 2% is UNACCEPTABLE and an 80% rejection rate is just making for an even bigger backlog.

If we "attempt" this program in healthcare, the patient is going to die while he is still filling out paperwork. Hey media ... the car dealers could really use your help in exposing this travesty. We need to get the word out NOW so they can straighten out this mess immediately.

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I hope everyone gets their money.

When you sleep with snakes, you're gonna get bit.
Let this be a lesson to those of you that thought 'getting in bed' with big government was a good idea. The only way the government can help you line your pockets is through corruption so it won't be on the news and you'll have to know Timothy Guitner or be a former or current big wig at Goldman Sachs.
I am catching so much heat from my dealer at this point for invoices not getting paid, driving me crazy. I have all 34 submitted and have already had 5 or 6 rejected due to not being able to read the trade titles because the copy is to dark and same thing on the DL's. Did I mention that I am also the Special Finance Manager back up Prime Finance Manager and fill in for the two desk guys when they are off and it gets busy. Just venting a little bit here oh and we are a full line Chrysler dealership that is running really thin on inventory....
After reading many of the posts on this thread, all I can say is "WOW!" And since so many of you have thrown in your two cents, let me throw mine is as well...

I don't think there are any franchise dealers on this forum wishing ill-will on the independent dealers, yet there are several independent dealers thankful that the franchise dealers are getting what they so rightfully deserved by participating in this program. I would like to point out a few key facts:

1. The government advertised this program, and while we were not "forced" into participation, I can't imagine the bad publicity we would have received if we told customers that we weren't participating because it was a government program (or for whatever reason). We didn't "get in bed with the devil," the devil got in bed with us. We are simply trying to make due in an extremely challenging environment. To revel in our challenges is disgusting to me on the most basic of levels.

2. I have always given my help, experience, and ideas to anyone who needs it or asks for it. AutoDealerPeople was designed to be a forum that all of us could use to share our experiences (good and bad) with out reprisals from within our own ranks. I would humbly suggest that many of you follow what my grandmother pounded into my head all those years ago, "if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut!" I feel like there are many of you happy that some of us are doing poorly - what a pathetic existence you must lead and what poor leaders in your organizations you must be. I truly feel sorry for you. I am saddened that Courtney has to read some of the statements on this particular thread as she has been one of the biggest supporters of this site and the ideas behind it. She has given much of her time and knowledge to many of you. This is how you repay her?

3. To the many people on this forum who have expressed encouragement to us over the last few weeks and months - THANK YOU!!! Your encouragement and kind words have been a blessing to many within our company.

Finally, I was involved with an independent used car dealership for most of my automotive career. I understand the unique challenges independents face with regards to lenders, banks, floorplan, inventory, etc. It was a dream of many of us at Suzuki of Wichita to own a new car franchise some day. While some of you may feel this dream to be misplaced or poorly founded, it is what it is. .

While you may not agree with the government using your tax dollars in ways you don't agree with, there is a right way and a wrong way to state that disagreement. I am all for freedom of speach; I would just suggest that we use this site for what it was intended - to share successes, failures, ideas, etc. so that we all can gain valuable knowledge from each other. None of us is smarter than ALL of us.

Just sayin'
AMEN ! Thank you, Tom. I wear a couple of different hats as the General Manager of a 2 store BHPH operation connected to a franchise dealership. It brings me great pain to see some of the C4C vehicles sitting on the back lot at the new car stores that would look great on my lots but I also understand the pain this process has brought to our dealer principle and entire operation. I, too, was shocked by some of the responses on this thread and was wondering how to reply. You said it better than I could.
Thank you, Tom, for expressing your opinion. Which happens to double mine.
As a Chrysler Dealer, we really had NO CHOICE but to jump on the C4C bandwagon when every other Chrysler, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, et al in our region jumped in with both feet.
If we had NOT joined the program we would have been seen as demons for not letting the public get their government money! In eccense what we have done to this point is float our customers just shy of $350,000 in loans which we are waiting for the gov't to pay us back.
We finally got paid this morning on 2 (yes 2) of our 46 C4C deals we have pending.
Thanks Feaz!!!

I am with you on all of your points. We have gotten paid on 1 (yes 1) of our 198 C4C deals as of this morning. Another 16 have been marked "Ready for Payment" which apparently is another way of saying the "check's in the mail - SUCKER!" The government is in to us for a mind-numbing $804,500... I love Cash for Clunkers and I hate Cash for Clunkers.

Wow, I am surprised by the posts on this thread. I hadn't read any of this because I'm not involved. The independents should have just stayed out of this conversation. If this program had included them they would have a place to speak. What the government did was not very well thought out (a trend I'm afraid) and it's a friggin mess. I hope all you dealers get your money. I wish C4C hadn't taken place. I think you would have sold nearly as many cars. The sales would have been spread out but you would have still done most of the business.
One thing I have learned in this business is that the "niches" change by the minute. There will be times when it it great to be an independent and times when it is great to have a new vehicle franchise. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

However, here is a program that is CLEARLY not being administered correctly. The dealers were told they would be reimbursed within 10 days of submission. We entered into this program based on this information. This is far from what is happening.

What amazes me is that the same reporters that called us 2--3 times a week when GM was going B/K, when the inventories are low due to C4C, when domestic stores were going out of business ... these SAME reporters have not reported anything about the failure of this program to pay the dealers. I actually picked up the phone and called these same guys back that we gave a ton of interviews to during these difficult times and told them we could really use their help if they would let it be known that the dealers are not receiving payments. I am amazed ... I have forwarded articles, etc.... and not ONE of them has reported on this story. It really makes you wonder that when the press is covering ANY story ... how much of the true facts do we get? How much of the truth is distorted?
I think you have probably made a good point. I think NADA has been slow on this topic. I am seriously beginning to believe that when people get inside the beltway of Washington DC, they get CLUELESS about the reality of what is going on in the WORLD.

We call NADA and they say they are aware of the problem and they are working on it??? 2% ... they need to SHOUT about it. Today is the 17th (24 days into the program) ... have 1 out of 77 deals paid and 1 ready for payment ... rest ALL IN REVIEW.

You have seen the stats from the other guys on here ... Honestly, I HATE when the right wing and the left wing start going after each other. I would rather they take the D and the R away from their names and JUST DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY instead of worrying about whose agenda they are working on. However, much longer and you think Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc... would probably grandstand this issue.
Let us remember that we were not promised to be paid in 10 days - it is written in the law!
As to the media - keep in mind that auto dealers are the enemy. No matter what happens, no matter what we do, we are always the lying cheating stealing "Car Salesman".
And finally, and most importantly, approximately 15 years ago the news went from NEWS to ENTERTAINMENT. They will only report what sells advertising spots. The reporters, editors, etc. have lost any shred of nuetrality they had and only care about the $$.
Ok this is not good the website to submit the transactions is down and when I called "customer support" they where unsure of when it will come back online. I have only one to put in....I mean really how much more can this program get screwed up.....


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